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A Classic Example Of Unintended Consequences – The Fatal Shooting By Fellow Officer: Action Raises Justice Issues By Curtisj75 Posted On: Jan 29, 201
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A Classic Example Of Unintended Consequences – the Fatal Shooting By Fellow Officer: Action Raises Justice Issues By Curtisj75 Posted On: Jan 29, 201

The article by CurtisJ75 posted on Jan 29th 2012 on the Street Articles website appears to come to the conclusion that “putting the officer out of his fellow officers' miseries” was merely the ““exacting" [of] what the justice system would take a few years to accomplish.” In other words it appears to suggest that if the justice system relevant to Santa Maria, CA had been allowed to handle the case of the officer put out of his fellow officers' miseries, it would have come to the same conclusion; that by being put out of his fellow officer’s miseries, justice was exacted. I posit that this conclusion requires to be challenged to ensure that the integrity of justice is not being undermined.

To begin with, CurtisJ75 appears to be putting forward the proposal that the exacting of justice lies in the premise that justice is the process in which one human being’s life is less important than the misery of those living within the consequences of the lesser-life owner’s actions. In other words; the misery of the many trumps the death of the one.

That’s the perceived moral principle at work here, and it’s a principle not to be taken lightly. In fact CurtisJ75 has evoked the principle that the majority of the western world might be said to live according to; the principle of Utilitarianism, or the greatest happiness principle. If the rest of us are happy because he’s dead, that’s morally fine; but is it?

There are a number of excellent articles that could be written about the content of CurtisJ75’s article; including those on the phenomena of friendly fire; hostile fire; emotionally charged police situations and child protection. However I propose to leave you feeling concerned, if not convinced, that if the rest of us are happy because he’s dead, then that is morally ambiguous.

Imagine if you have a boss who is a work-place tyrant. There is a workplace investigation carried out and it is concluded that yes; this boss’s presence is directly related to workforce misery. The tyrant-boss, despite putting up resistance is shot dead and the workforce is smiling again.

This scenario might be the fantasy of many a daily-trudger in employment and many will claim it is vastly different from the very real situation that the Santa Maria, CA Police Department find themselves in. They would be somewhat justified in saying so, however the principle, if not the situation, is the same in both cases; If the rest of us are happy...?

Now ask yourself this question: If my child is being cited as the reason why the rest of her class are miserable; would I be comfortable if my child were shot?

Intuitively and humanely, I would suggest few, if any (and those perhaps severely mentally impaired), would be comfortable with that judicial decision being made. It would be interesting to see what (if they are alive) the parents of the dead officer think of the real life outcome.

My purpose here is not to dismiss the Utilitarian principle for Justice; far greater minds than mine fail to do this every day; and indeed far greater minds agree with CurtisJ75 strongly - Anyone interested in understanding more about utilitarianism might consider looking at the philosopher Jeremy Bentham’s work. He said that “rights are nonsense on stilts.” So he would presumably state that if the death of the officer is better for everyone; his rights are just fancy cake-icing, to sweeten the blow for those can’t handle the truth.

Is this really the principle we want to drive our justice system?

If you answer ‘yes’ then arguably you are comfortable with the notion that if we are happier with one dead then his death is a good and just thing, of which even God would approve. If you answer ‘no’ then arguably you are uncomfortable with the notion that if we are happier with one dead then his death is a good and just thing and further, that God, if he exists, would dis-approve.

The article by CurtisJ75 might not have been intended to provoke philosophical musings, but as he appears to be siding with one of the most notable philosophers in history, I hope you will allow me positive regard for giving a philosophical airing to his stimulating article. It is a classic example of the philosophical law of unintended consequences – consequences which eventually arise from the Fatal Shooting by Fellow Officer.


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This is what standing up for your Beliefs is all about folks; taking the time to communicate and dig into the metaphysics and essence of them. Read both articles and join the dialogue. Thanks Curtis

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  about 7 years ago
CurtisJ75  

Outstanding! I just read this and I must compliment your ability to stay objective while raising the strongest legal questions there can be, and without referencing my article I have definitive responses that articulate the philosophical "musings", thanks for that, right on - so, "Justice Will Prevail" - yes I made that an anthem at the end, and what reveals the true intent is by simply adding, "the Justice System will Prevail." Meaning, well I should first clarify that my belief system is Christian, from the Bible, but wasn't a believer till 20yrs old, so I speak from knowledge of both worlds... So, Justice... I wrote from the standpoint that "action" against the slain officer was already in motion, which caused an irreversible path toward only a handful of outcomes. My point of view can be understood by picturing God as a parent, then relating all circumstances and situations to the structure of a parent/child relationship over a lifetime. With or without belief in God - respecting others under all circumstances still holds up. You asked if you'd be happy with your child being shot in response to everyone's misery. My first reaction is not "happiness" that the perp is dead, no sir, the positive emotion is the relief that the child is out of danger, along with the potential future victims he would have affected. Also, your workplace scenario is exactly what my girlfriend's boss is like and I can sincerely state that although we will sue him for verbal abuse, etc., he doesn't deserve any type of permanent loss, repeated beatings, or death. My reasoning is similar to Christ's turn the other cheek parable, which describes forgiving your enemies repeatedly because you understand the outcomes and actually feel sorry for their limitations/mental capacity, which are always greatly reduced to either violence, probation, jail, prison, life-sentence, and/or the death penalty. , , and that pulling a gun to end everyone's miseries, so everyone can be happy; would be playing God, and effectively reducing my position to the bad guy's level of misguided "justice". Many things happen when we rise above the mass mentality and quit returning burn for burn, there is an awareness of knowing solutions (instead of causing negative get-nowhere situations) in an elevated state, I compare it to being shown the world through God's conscious, which is the difference in the Bible just being a story book and it being a 3-dimensional, truly "alive" document. Scientists have set out to disprove the Living Document, only to end up proving its "beyond human or computer ability" and "mathematically impossible for the people to design 400+ prophesies alone, 1500 years before Christ's life. Everyone of them came true during His 3year teachings. I know that before accepting Christ, the bible stories were just that, well now when reading any given part, there is revelation knowledge - current situations related to the 2,000 yr-old text, with an understanding that goes beyond human comprehension. See now I'm not being objective...I took Religions of the World at U of Phoenix and understand all of the "religions". It all boils down to the statistic that every civilization in recorded history has held belief in one form of a God(s) or another. Your article has many strong points David, causing me to respond with otherwise-contained religious "views" which always compares to basically a gentleman with high moral fiber, not judging or sinking to others' misguided actions when disrespected (referring to common situations). Man this is deep because it's impossible not to turn of a percentage of people just with the mention of God. Well, I'm not religious - it's in the Bible that Jesus came to earth in the opposite manner a ruling "King of Kings" would - for the main purpose of abolishing "Religion", that's why I believe in God, now, is there any interest in reading why it doesn't mean jack-squat to believe in God?? Anyone heard the expression "big deal if you believe in God, the difference is Believing God, because it's a present-tense relationship - He is the only God or publicly known Deity to conquer death and ascend into the heavens. All other gods have bones in the ground. and this is what set Christians apart - it's the only "religion" that cannot accept being equal to all of the other religions of the world. The other religions can agree that any divine path will take you to heaven, while Christianity proclaims Christ as the ONLY way to eternal life - and what I have to conclude is that many universal laws are in place whether we believe them or not - gravity is an example, and that it took an Intelligent Being to set this all in motion. I don't judge those who are of different belief systems and welcome indoctrination to your deepest belief foundations So, now that i have really stirred it up - I had to publicly confess that I accept revelation knowledge from God. I've never stated this before and I think this turned into a facts-writing session; meant precisely for a few chosen people to read, resulting in an "experience". Trust me, if it wasn't so strong that I go this far - it would have ended way back at explaining "Justice will prevail" really meant "the Justice System will Prevail". I sense that anyone still reading is meant to be told or reminded there are no accidents in God's Kingdom, that it's for a purpose that Curtis kept on writing here, lol!! Not promoting any specific religion or any group, just sending out an SOS of sorts - for 3 of you is what's visible in my mind just like a dream - anyway, sorry for the length!! It's an article - which means I should respond in kind to your David - and thanks again for the eloquent writing and I apologize for not staying objective or neutral - I would have but I just had an overwhelming sense that someone(s) will be directly affected in a good way. That's all that counts, long as your not offended - let me know if you are and I will adjust accordingly. How bout this for an article title "Robotic Violence:" ...we can guess the subject matter, lol!!

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  about 7 years ago
CurtisJ75  

Yep - it's the size of published work, jeez man, well let's just say "you started it", lol - really though, much of what we decide will affect our communities, in turn affecting our children's future, it's one big network with so many connected things. Deep! is all I can say!

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  about 7 years ago

Who are we to decide what God would approve or disapprove of? A choice made that affects another on the premise of "justice will prevail" is inherently blasphemous - in my opinion. By putting judgment and justice in the hands of humans, we are saying that we don't need G-d to correct the situation, we can do it by ourselves. And for those that don't believe that there is a God at all, so they feel it is their responsibility to mete out justice, these people are saying that they have the mental capacity of a God to be able to decide based on everything they know about the situation and the person they are affecting that they are making a sound decision. I see this exactly the way you have insinuated it could turn - despite the fact that others may say that it is an unfair comparison. If there is even one case that justifies the message "justice will prevail" when another is murdered, all that needs to happen is one more case that is slightly bolder than the last and so on and so on and so on. Unfortunately, many of us decide that our judgment matters. We judge others everyday. Yes, our silly judgments may ultimately be inconsequential - because it really doesn't matter what we think......but, when we are so bold as to take matters into our own hands due to our judgments- our judgments are no longer inconsequential.

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  about 7 years ago

Thank you for comments. My intention was to explore the whole issue how life is evaluated and who or what is the principle judge. You are helping that exploration move farther on and I hope others will join in our quest. Regards and respect "; David

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  about 7 years ago
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